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its not clear how you expect operating income to increase. would it be due to podcasts having bigger margins, and how? or promoted content? Nice presentation.

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Hey Antonio,

I watched you stream with Robert on YouTube and read your blog posts on Spotify afterwards. Thank you for the writeup.

Are you familiar with the podcast "Spotify: A Product Story"? A bit meta, but very interesting to get a glimpse of the major milestones and challenges over the years from their point of view. Episode 7 is especially interesting, where they discuss their move from music to broader audio (including, but not limited to podcasts).

In the podcast they speak about a model for content companies with three phases:

1. Access - as long as Access is limited, it solves the customer need to provide the content. Spotify started by streaming music faster than anybody else. Currently advanced search functions play a role into access as well, I would argue.

2. Exclusive Content - This is where Spotify is right now and explains their investments in Joe Rogan & other celebrity podcasts. Netflix is in this Phase as well, with a major issue of large costs to create their content. Spotify solves this more elegantly. I

3. Platform - Users join because of the content, creators join because of users & monetization potential. Spotify is on a good path here. Including creator tools on their platform for producing podcasts & music. The more people use the Spotify the more they convert to paying premium users. And I know firsthand how sticky the personal recommendation engine and tailored playlists are once you have use the service a bit.

It will be interesting to see what a future Phase 4 could look like - maybe your thoughts on Web3.0 will play out here. Who knows.

I like that the flywheel currently provides ample growth opportunity, but I don't see how their margins will improve anytime soon. The (exclusive) podcast content is seen as a differentiator to other platforms/competitors and therefore provided for free or with minimal monetization even to non-premium users. Therefore cashflows to shareholder will be farther down the line and should be discounted accordingly.

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